Comments on: The Early Church on Violence http://rachelstanton.wordpress.com/2007/01/21/the-early-church-on-violence/ “Rejoice in hope, be patient in suffering, persevere in prayer.” – Romans 12:12 Fri, 06 Nov 2009 19:46:18 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: theruinedfollower http://rachelstanton.wordpress.com/2007/01/21/the-early-church-on-violence/#comment-927 theruinedfollower Wed, 29 Jul 2009 04:09:19 +0000 http://rachelstanton.wordpress.com/2007/01/21/the-early-church-on-violence/#comment-927 Rachel, I love this blog. I recently finished reading "The Irresistible Revolution" by Shane Claiborne. I have "Jesus For President" on order. I have to say that God is wrecking "my christianity" and replacing it with his own. Thanks so much for the quotes. I'm prayerfully seeking the Lord about the issues of violence and war. If you have any suggestions, please send them to me (garyfeister@yahoo.com). Thanks! Rachel, I love this blog. I recently finished reading “The Irresistible Revolution” by Shane Claiborne. I have “Jesus For President” on order. I have to say that God is wrecking “my christianity” and replacing it with his own. Thanks so much for the quotes. I’m prayerfully seeking the Lord about the issues of violence and war. If you have any suggestions, please send them to me (garyfeister@yahoo.com). Thanks!

]]> By: Matthew Forrest Lowe http://rachelstanton.wordpress.com/2007/01/21/the-early-church-on-violence/#comment-910 Matthew Forrest Lowe Thu, 02 Oct 2008 21:34:58 +0000 http://rachelstanton.wordpress.com/2007/01/21/the-early-church-on-violence/#comment-910 True, and here, he's doing a largely capable job of presenting a lot of ideas about specifically imperial violence (both ancient, especially as in Roman, and modern) that have typically been argued in more dense, scholarly, and often less accessible books (many of them are in his cleverly pictured bibliography, and on my bookshelf as well; I've often found myself grinning, while reading the book with my sister, as I know whom he's going to quote before I look at the footnotes). But his argument is a tough one to make in a political climate where Democrat and Christian have been treated as mutually exclusive. It is difficult to see how to formulate the early church's refusal of violence into state policy -- which is why Tony Campolo, Shane's teacher, continues to forward the model of the church speaking prophetically to the state, from outside of it. Walsh & Keesmaat's adaptation of Wendell Berry's "secession" stance is in close parallel here. - Matt True, and here, he’s doing a largely capable job of presenting a lot of ideas about specifically imperial violence (both ancient, especially as in Roman, and modern) that have typically been argued in more dense, scholarly, and often less accessible books (many of them are in his cleverly pictured bibliography, and on my bookshelf as well; I’ve often found myself grinning, while reading the book with my sister, as I know whom he’s going to quote before I look at the footnotes). But his argument is a tough one to make in a political climate where Democrat and Christian have been treated as mutually exclusive. It is difficult to see how to formulate the early church’s refusal of violence into state policy — which is why Tony Campolo, Shane’s teacher, continues to forward the model of the church speaking prophetically to the state, from outside of it. Walsh & Keesmaat’s adaptation of Wendell Berry’s “secession” stance is in close parallel here. – Matt

]]> By: Rachel Stanton http://rachelstanton.wordpress.com/2007/01/21/the-early-church-on-violence/#comment-909 Rachel Stanton Thu, 02 Oct 2008 19:45:31 +0000 http://rachelstanton.wordpress.com/2007/01/21/the-early-church-on-violence/#comment-909 Yes, I have read <i>Jesus for President</i>, Matthew, and I thought it was excellent! Shane is an important prophetic voice for our generation. Yes, I have read Jesus for President, Matthew, and I thought it was excellent! Shane is an important prophetic voice for our generation.

]]> By: Matthew Forrest Lowe http://rachelstanton.wordpress.com/2007/01/21/the-early-church-on-violence/#comment-907 Matthew Forrest Lowe Wed, 24 Sep 2008 21:47:42 +0000 http://rachelstanton.wordpress.com/2007/01/21/the-early-church-on-violence/#comment-907 If you've not read it already, check out Shane Claiborne and Chris Haw's Jesus for President (Zondervan, 2008) for more thoughts from the early church that dovetail with (and in some cases include) yours. They go further, too, pointing out ways in which the modern church needs to oppose violence more consistently. Grace and peace, Matt If you’ve not read it already, check out Shane Claiborne and Chris Haw’s Jesus for President (Zondervan, 2008) for more thoughts from the early church that dovetail with (and in some cases include) yours. They go further, too, pointing out ways in which the modern church needs to oppose violence more consistently.

Grace and peace, Matt

]]> By: ericdarylmeyer http://rachelstanton.wordpress.com/2007/01/21/the-early-church-on-violence/#comment-902 ericdarylmeyer Tue, 01 Jul 2008 21:19:01 +0000 http://rachelstanton.wordpress.com/2007/01/21/the-early-church-on-violence/#comment-902 Indeed, thank you for assembling this list of wonderful quotes and for sharing them with the rest of us. God's peace, Eric Indeed, thank you for assembling this list of wonderful quotes and for sharing them with the rest of us.

God’s peace,
Eric

]]> By: Aric Clark http://rachelstanton.wordpress.com/2007/01/21/the-early-church-on-violence/#comment-818 Aric Clark Sun, 18 Nov 2007 23:49:04 +0000 http://rachelstanton.wordpress.com/2007/01/21/the-early-church-on-violence/#comment-818 Thanks for this great collection. I too would love to see citations if possible for my own research. Thanks for this great collection. I too would love to see citations if possible for my own research.

]]> By: Ben http://rachelstanton.wordpress.com/2007/01/21/the-early-church-on-violence/#comment-149 Ben Mon, 23 Apr 2007 16:29:58 +0000 http://rachelstanton.wordpress.com/2007/01/21/the-early-church-on-violence/#comment-149 I enjoyed the quotes. Do you have citations for them? I am doing some research on non-violence in the early church and have found a number of these quotes, but have had trouble locating them in original documents. Thanks I enjoyed the quotes. Do you have citations for them? I am doing some research on non-violence in the early church and have found a number of these quotes, but have had trouble locating them in original documents. Thanks

]]> By: Howard Russ http://rachelstanton.wordpress.com/2007/01/21/the-early-church-on-violence/#comment-145 Howard Russ Sun, 22 Apr 2007 02:33:01 +0000 http://rachelstanton.wordpress.com/2007/01/21/the-early-church-on-violence/#comment-145 John I would like a copy of your book too. rruss@greenvillenc.com John I would like a copy of your book too.

rruss@greenvillenc.com

]]> By: Rachel Stanton http://rachelstanton.wordpress.com/2007/01/21/the-early-church-on-violence/#comment-95 Rachel Stanton Thu, 05 Apr 2007 04:05:19 +0000 http://rachelstanton.wordpress.com/2007/01/21/the-early-church-on-violence/#comment-95 Thanks for that quote, Sean! I will add it to my catena. Thanks for that quote, Sean! I will add it to my catena.

]]> By: Sean Friend http://rachelstanton.wordpress.com/2007/01/21/the-early-church-on-violence/#comment-93 Sean Friend Thu, 05 Apr 2007 03:48:36 +0000 http://rachelstanton.wordpress.com/2007/01/21/the-early-church-on-violence/#comment-93 Here's one that you missed that I like a lot: The whole world is wet with mutual blood; and murder, which in the case of an individual is admitted to be a crime, is called a virtue when it is committed wholesale. Impunity is claimed for the wicked deeds, not on the plea that they are guiltless, but because the cruelty is perpetrated on a grand scale. -Cyprian of Carthage - 250 AD This is an awesome collection of quotes! Thanks for sharing them! Sean Here’s one that you missed that I like a lot:
The whole world is wet with mutual blood; and murder, which in the case of an individual is admitted to be a crime, is called a virtue when it is committed wholesale. Impunity is claimed for the wicked deeds, not on the plea that they are guiltless, but because the cruelty is perpetrated on a grand scale.
-Cyprian of Carthage – 250 AD
This is an awesome collection of quotes! Thanks for sharing them!

Sean

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